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welcome to night-vision radio

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hi everybody welcome indeed tonight

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vision radio I was so happy you could be

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with us again tonight I want to remind

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you that we're live in the chat room at

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room our producer MJ does as well and

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there's a great crew in there I got to

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warn you though these guys are smart

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they know their stuff so they always

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come up with some great questions for us

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and we'd love to have your questions too

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and your comments in the chat room about

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the show tonight so please join us at

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inception radio network calm now also I

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wanted to say that you know every week I

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post information about the show on my

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Facebook page and I wanted to invite you

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to you know join me on Facebook and

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there's two Renee Barnett's actually

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with the name spelled exactly the same

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way with our E and E VAR n ET tee but

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you'll notice my picture I'm got on a

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little Derby hat and I'm waving so

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you'll you'll you'll find the right one

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and be sure and also like the night

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vision radio page on Facebook for us it

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helps us out and helps it helps us keep

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going so I appreciate that I'd love to

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see you on Facebook and I'd love to be

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your friend of Facebook I don't have

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that many slots left in my friendship

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thing I think you can only have 5,000

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friends and I'm almost there but I would

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love to have you guys join me so we can

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talk and I can hear your stories you can

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keep on top of what's going on on night

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vision and you know you've heard me talk

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now if you've listened to the show for

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several weeks or actually months I guess

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now about the Facebook page or the

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website return of the troubadour calm

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and about the songwriting contest that

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they're having it's really cool it's a

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great in this great grand prize I think

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it's $5,000 in gold so they're looking

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for a song that is you know uplifting

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something that inspires Humanity in a

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positive way

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and if you've got a song or if you're a

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songwriter I think there's still time to

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get your work in I believe the deadline

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is like December 15th but what I really

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wanted to say didn't mean to go on so

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long about it because at the break a

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good friend of mine is going to talk

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about the contest and he can do a whole

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lot better job than I can and he's a

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rock star so you got to listen to him

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personal friend of mine anyway I'm

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excited about tonight's show I had a

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great conversation yesterday with our

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guests that are coming on and I had just

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had to bite my tongue to keep from

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asking like a zillion questions because

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the the story is so interesting and I

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remember it from a long time ago when

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the book came out by Raymond Fowler

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called the Andreas and affair and it was

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one of the well and still to this day is

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one of the best investigated and best

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documented cases of alien abduction that

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there's ever been and what's really

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interesting about it as well is that it

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happened back in the 60s and and even

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before so that was before we had all the

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books about alien abduction before the

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movies were all out before everybody

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knew what grey's looked like all that

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stuff so this was pure information that

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was coming out and not you know put into

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Betty's consciousness by something that

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you know she had read or seen on TV or

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in the movies

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it just wasn't even happening at the

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time so I want to welcome my guest

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tonight I have betty andreas and luca

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and her husband bob look on the phone

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thank you so much and welcome to the

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show guys well Betty I mean you know

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it's amazing you know that I finally got

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a chance to speak with you after reading

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that book so many years ago and to this

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day you know I've been involved with a

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lot of alien abduction cases I've met a

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lot of people who feel they've had that

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experience

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I was fortunate to get to know Betty

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hill of the famous other Betty Betty and

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be couple and Travis Walton and there

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are some really really good cases out

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there like those that I just mentioned

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and yours you know other times it's it's

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been a little bit fuzzy but these are

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the cases that really stand out in my

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mind as thinking okay there's something

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here this is real

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these people are genuine and so I gotta

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say you know when I got a chance to talk

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with you yesterday that I was really

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excited and it was really nice to hear

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the actual people behind the story so

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I'm gonna start with you Betty if it's

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okay and let's talk about you know I

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know you had some experiences in

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childhood but can we focus on that big

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incident that was sort of the

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culminating event with your entire

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family involved I think you had seven

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kids and your mother and father were

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also in the house at the same time right

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they were they were there with me

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because my husband had had an accident

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and so he was in the hospital for quite

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a while and with the seven kids trying

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to make things go strong and right my

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mother and father came to stay with me

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and it was during that time they also

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with my what happened was the lights we

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had though the power was going the kids

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were watching television my mother and

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father were sitting in the living room

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with him and I was fair and suddenly the

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power went off and we started to see a

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reddish orange light coming in through

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the kitchen window towards the pantry

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and we thought oh there must be a fire

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or a police are out there or something

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my father had rushed

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that's me and went into the kitchen and

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actually he was the first to see what

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was going on he was looking out the

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window to see if it was a the police or

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fire truck but making the red light

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happened and he happen to see these

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little small beings coming down the hill

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and he thought that they were kids

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dressed up in Halloween costumes as Moon

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Man that's what he said and then what

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happened was I was out in the kitchen

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and at that time and all of a sudden

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five beams entered my house right

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through the door they did not open it

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they just came right through the door

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and I spit they're astonished because

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wondering what is going on what is this

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however in my mind I thought scripture

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you know to help me not fear so much and

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I heard entertain the strangers but they

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may be angels unawares and Who am I to

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say what angels are supposed to looked

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like it it didn't look like an angel to

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me but it did help me to calm down and

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as I said the beings were standing there

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and the leader was talking to me through

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the mind and I'm wondering well what do

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they want and what I heard more or less

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through the mind was that they wanted

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some food and that's what I was thinking

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what it was and so I got some meat from

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the refrigerator put it on the stove and

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I started to cook it and as I did the

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smoke came up from the meat and all of a

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sudden the beings jumped back like

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straddled what what's going on and then

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he again talked with me through the mind

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and he says no no we don't want that

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tried by fire we want knowledge tried by

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fire

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so I thought whoa what could that be and

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then I thought well maybe the Bible I've

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got the Bible in the other room that's

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been around for a long time so it's like

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it's been tried by fire too to be able

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to last hundreds of years and so we went

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into the living room and when we got

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into the living room I looked over at

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the couch and all my children plus my

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mother were sitting there as if they

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were just suspended in animation was

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going on they weren't moving at all and

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this kind of worried me at that time and

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what happened was that beings came in

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and stood there with me and I I took the

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Bible off the end table and passed it to

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the leader and when he reached out his

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hand I could see three fingers so I was

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seeing what he looked like he had her on

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a blue suit and they had a golden

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colored belt with a sash on it and I

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noticed also they had like an eagle

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emblem on their the upper part of their

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arm on their suits and what I did was I

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cast him that Bible and he in turn put

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it in his hand and he waved his hand

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over it and on top of it came three

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other small books and he passed them to

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the three other beings that were beside

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so so so what happened was he was able

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to swipe his hand over the the book the

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Bible book that you handed him and

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instantly copies were manifested and he

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was passing them along to his colleagues

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there and they were three of the world

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to him but what the other one evidently

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had gone over to where my father was in

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the pantry area there was a half wall

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there and then the kitchen area inside

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there and I did not see him at that time

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so evidently the being had been left

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there with him when they came in when

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came into the living room and he passed

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him to the three beings that were

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standing beside him and they the pages

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just moved one after another after

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another and it would look like white

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light I didn't see any writing on it

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just white light was going at it has

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each page moved and I don't know what

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they were doing there was no words there

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so I don't know exactly how he was able

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to transform the Bible into those three

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send books but that's what he did and

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then I was really worried with everybody

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just Stan you know sitting on the couch

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they are not moving at all and so the

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leader saw that I was a little bit

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nervous about that and he took my

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daughter Becky out of that state and she

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stood up and she was watching what was

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going on but she was just standing there

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and he gave me a thin blue book to hold

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on to and he said to me that you're

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allowed to keep this for ten days and

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then I will take it back but I think it

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was some type of initiation whatever was

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in it I was supposed to grasp as much

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information from it now how big was that

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book anyway what did it look like it was

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like a flat cover to it it was very

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small oh I'd say about five five inches

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and and you said when you looked in it

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you couldn't recognize what it said

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right well I was seeing some pictures in

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there and it was some strange writing so

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when I was drawing from it was because

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of the pictures you know being an

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amateur artist I was trying to figure

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out what are these things you know

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and so I kept on looking at it but then

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after that I put the small book down on

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the end table and I don't know what

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happened to the Bible if they took it

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with them or not that was Becky's Bible

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and it wasn't there any longer hmm now

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you mentioned you know Becky because

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they had actually sort of let her come

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back to animation when you had given

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them I guess did you say something to

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indicate that you know you were upset

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about seeing your family in that state

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or did they just sense it from you that

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you know that bothered you that you were

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seeing your kids and your mom sitting

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there you know basically like stones you

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know yeah I think that the leaders sense

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that I was upset to see them just

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standing and sitting there you know so

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to assure me that they were all right

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that's why I think they took Becky out

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of that status in suspended animation

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hmm and you know it's funny because I

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don't know your other children I I do

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know Betty and I know that she has some

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you know kind of extra abilities and do

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you think that because she was the one

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that you know had the encounter in that

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way that she that added to her abilities

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in some way or do you think they chose

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her because she already had those

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abilities well the thing is Becky had

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dream I had after the experience I had

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just memory of one of the beings being

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there and I knew what it looked like

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with a large head the big black eyes and

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everything and that memory I had and the

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thing was Becky came to me about three

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or four days after and she says mommy

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I'm having a terrible dream and she

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explained what it was that she saw these

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strange people in her house and with the

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big eyes and the big head and I realized

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oh something happened you know and I

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remembered the thin book I had that I

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had hidden in the closet because they

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told me I had it for 10 days and I

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didn't want it you know just laying

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around there so I had put it in my

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closet and and I was remembering just

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the one being at first you know after it

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all had happened and the thing was is

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she told me well I had a dream and I'm

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afraid you know it's okay honey I'm

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going to show you something but don't

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you tell anybody and so I went into the

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bedroom with her and I got the thin blue

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book down from the closet and I held it

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out and she put her hand on it and when

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she did all of a sudden she had sparkles

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all over her hand now I don't know if

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she received some kind of a touch from

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the book at that point or what happened

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but she is green was it when you said

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sparkles was it like like an electrical

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thing or was it like fairy dust or what

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was it like well I would think it would

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be more like a dust with but they were

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very sparkly on her hand and you know it

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amazed me I mean when I held it I I

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think it sparkly things on me but Becky

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did and I said now don't please don't

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tell anything and don't tell the your

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brothers and sisters because I don't

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want you to frighten them you know and

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as I said afterwards after the whole

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experience I went through what I had

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remembered was just one being with the

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big eyes and the big hit and at that

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time

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I had seen an article now this is quite

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a few years after I had seen an article

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that dr. Hynek had put in a newspaper

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asking if anything anyone has seen any

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strange things - please write to him and

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this is what I did I drew a picture of

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one of the beings that I had seen and

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drew all the description of it and I

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sent it in to the Center for UFO studies

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and it was three years later it took

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three years before anybody started to

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work with it and there was a team of

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investigators in Massachusetts that were

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looking for anything concerning a hybrid

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and so they got in touch with dr. Hynek

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and he in turn sent him my letter that

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he had filed away for three years and

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that's when they got in touch with me

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and asked me if I would undergo

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regressive hypnosis to see what had

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happened hmm

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and was there a hybrid aspect to your

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story well I know that they checked me I

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was taken aboard the craft and they

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checked me with me told us of

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procreation and they were kind of

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stunned they pulled out like a spool

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with some kind of material on it like

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web-like material on it and it seemed as

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if they were reading it or something and

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they spend more or less that something

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was missing and what it was is I had had

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a hysterectomy oh wow hmm so you think

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if that had not happened that might have

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been part of what they were going to do

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with you it's a possibility yes there's

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a very big possibility mmm and now did

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when

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you're on the craft you nobody else from

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your family was in there right no no one

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but just me and being and when was it

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that you got to the point was it on this

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particular occasion that you were taken

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to see the being that you or that they

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termed the one it was during this

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experience yes I was taken before the

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one and it was Brian you described that

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that part of the experience

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sure well first of all they had me

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aboard the craft and we went through

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this green atmosphere and we were on a

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track there was two beings it was one in

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front of me and one in back of me and we

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had gone through some other areas and

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they had a black hood on their heads for

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some reason they didn't give me any

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because I had dark long hair and we're

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riding along walking on I shouldn't say

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walking with is more like riding we were

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standing and moving along and it was a

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green atmosphere and it was like a green

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ocean underneath the track that ran

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along and I looked off to the left-hand

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side first of all I saw something that

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looked like it looked like a plane of

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some kind and you're playing or

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something of some flying kind in the

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green atmosphere but as we moved along I

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looked over to the left and there was a

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city there with large domes in pinnacle

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of light and the tracks were running in

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and out of the city it was quite a

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distance from where the track was that

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we were on and we're right in mid air

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right you know moving along on this

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track and the thing is we kept on moving

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and then all of a sudden I also saw

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pyramid type buildings on some land and

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there was like a

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like a Gyptian head with this kind of

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headpiece they would wear like a

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kerchief and that was a bull on top of a

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three-sided pyramid only this

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three-sided parent Mendel is strange

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because it had like white siding on the

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side of it and flat in the front and

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then indented and and and dented on the

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other side to make the other two sides

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so it was a three-sided pyramid and then

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that head was on the top of it we

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continue to move and as we moved along

441
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it was getting very bright and beautiful

442
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it the atmosphere was just beautiful

443
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green and as we moved along I could see

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also these beautiful crystals in mid-air

445
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they were just there in midair and we're

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moving toward them and as we move toward

447
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them I could see they were different

448
00:24:39,790 --> 00:24:36,140
colors were shining all around from them

449
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it's really beautiful and by the way I

450
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:43,730
have experienced that once again but

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anyway we move through that area and

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move closer toward very very bright

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light and the light as we move toward

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that bright light I know this may sound

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so unusual and crazy but this is what

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happened all I can do is explain it and

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up ahead was this huge bird a huge look

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like an eagle and it had its wings down

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and I could see the fluttering of the

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feathers on the wings as it was the

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wings were down almost like it was

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protecting somehow because there was

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bright light in back of it that kept

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streaking out in all different

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directions real bright white light and

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it was like that ego the huge bird was

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helping to keep it

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down from getting too bright and it

469
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became extremely warm and as I move

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closer the two smaller beings moved to

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the side off the track and took the

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hoods off of their head and I was

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supposed to go up closer to the Eagle

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that was there but it was getting so hot

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I could barely stand it and they were

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all sparks of light flying all over the

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place besides a bright light in back of

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it

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from that bright light getting to me or

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something it was just strange with all

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the lights you know all around like that

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and then suddenly it was getting so so

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warm I don't know what happened if I

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passed out or what happened but the next

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thing I remember waking and there's a

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huge pile gray pile of ashes that were

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still burning and I'm wondering you know

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what is going on this is so strange and

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out of those ashes was a huge thick grey

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worm that came forth and then the light

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was all around and all of a sudden I

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heard somebody call my name and he

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called my name very again and I'm

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00:27:21,549 --> 00:27:19,010
wondering what is going on I'm fearful

495
00:27:24,250 --> 00:27:21,559
at that point because the light is so

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bright and someone is talking to me but

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I can't see any figure or form just

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extremely bright light and the farm the

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boy said to me Betty Betty I have chosen

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you to show the world and then after I

501
00:27:52,780 --> 00:27:47,780
thought what is what is this is it God

502
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is what is this that is happening and he

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said you have seen

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and you have heard do you understand and

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I said no I don't understand I don't

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even know why I am here and at that

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point I thought it must be the Lord that

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is there and it just was such a strange

509
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:18,450
experience it's very hard to explain it

510
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because I feel it each time I do try to

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explain how how extremely unusual it was

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after that I went back with two small

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beings that were dressed in silver suits

514
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at that time they had been in the the

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room where I had been examined and

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everything and those beings were wearing

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just a silver suit and someone had been

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in front of me a one in back of me and

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00:29:01,040 --> 00:28:57,030
we started back to through the green

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atmosphere and from the green atmosphere

521
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we went into this area it was a swirling

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wind like and we moved right through it

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the beans are those two beings had put

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the black hoods back on their heads and

525
00:29:21,350 --> 00:29:17,780
we moved into this red atmosphere it was

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vibrating red we had been in there when

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we came through in the first place and

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00:29:29,090 --> 00:29:26,760
there were these strange little

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00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:29,100
creatures crawling all over and there

530
00:29:33,620 --> 00:29:30,930
were some buildings there but there was

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00:29:37,070 --> 00:29:33,630
no vegetation at all in this area it was

532
00:29:40,850 --> 00:29:37,080
just square buildings with wood windows

533
00:29:42,830 --> 00:29:40,860
just openings like a window and they

534
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:42,840
were crawling all over the place and

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00:29:48,500 --> 00:29:45,330
they looked very strange they were

536
00:29:50,330 --> 00:29:48,510
bright red they had two stalks right by

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the neck they had two stalks that came

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00:29:57,190 --> 00:29:53,190
up and their eyes were on the ends of

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00:30:00,950 --> 00:29:57,200
those stalks and they were very fearful

540
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:00,960
to me because I thought well they could

541
00:30:06,830 --> 00:30:03,690
you know the beans had these silver

542
00:30:07,740 --> 00:30:06,840
suits on plus the black hoods but they

543
00:30:09,900 --> 00:30:07,750
didn't provide

544
00:30:12,300 --> 00:30:09,910
me with anything like that you know no

545
00:30:14,700 --> 00:30:12,310
good to cover myself and it seemed like

546
00:30:17,130 --> 00:30:14,710
they were covering themselves because of

547
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:17,140
this red atmosphere and these creatures

548
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:20,290
that we were passing through to get to

549
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:24,370
the other side oh my gosh this is all so

550
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:26,890
amazing Betty we're gonna have to take a

551
00:30:30,390 --> 00:30:29,050
break but we're going to continue with

552
00:30:32,130 --> 00:30:30,400
this story and I want to hear a little

553
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:32,140
bit more about that one when we get back

554
00:30:38,370 --> 00:30:35,530
but also I think we ought to give Bob a

555
00:30:40,700 --> 00:30:38,380
chance to talk and but if you don't tell

556
00:30:44,190 --> 00:30:40,710
us a little bit about his experience and

557
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:44,200
also what happened you know what's

558
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:46,450
happened with the two of you since all

559
00:30:50,730 --> 00:30:49,210
this went on so including some

560
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:50,740
harassment that you've had to undergo

561
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:52,690
which is it's really quite terrible it

562
00:30:57,210 --> 00:30:54,970
but it seems to be ongoing so we're

563
00:30:59,250 --> 00:30:57,220
gonna take a break right now you're

564
00:31:01,860 --> 00:30:59,260
listening to night vision radio with

565
00:31:04,010 --> 00:31:01,870
betty andreas and luca and bob luca and

566
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:04,020
myself renee burnett we'll be right back

567
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:06,490
hey thanks for hanging in there with us

568
00:31:11,100 --> 00:31:08,050
and if you're just joining us you're

569
00:31:13,380 --> 00:31:11,110
listening to night vision radio and i'm

570
00:31:16,950 --> 00:31:13,390
renee barnett your host tonight my

571
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:16,960
guests betty andreas and luca and bob

572
00:31:22,940 --> 00:31:19,570
Luca they're talking with us about their

573
00:31:25,770 --> 00:31:22,950
experiences with alien abduction and

574
00:31:27,630 --> 00:31:25,780
subsequent issues that have come into

575
00:31:30,890 --> 00:31:27,640
play since then

576
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:30,900
in other words harassment by certain

577
00:31:39,170 --> 00:31:35,410
agencies and other shadowy people so but

578
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:39,180
before we get into the bad stuff Betty

579
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:41,530
could you tell us a little bit more when

580
00:31:48,750 --> 00:31:45,370
you were in the presence of who you

581
00:31:52,110 --> 00:31:48,760
called the one can you tell me what it

582
00:31:54,210 --> 00:31:52,120
was that you were feeling I know before

583
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:54,220
you you had been afraid because you

584
00:31:57,810 --> 00:31:55,690
didn't know what was going on here was

585
00:32:01,140 --> 00:31:57,820
this gigantic bird and all this stuff

586
00:32:04,350 --> 00:32:01,150
going on in this bright light and then

587
00:32:07,820 --> 00:32:04,360
but once you got in the presence of that

588
00:32:11,970 --> 00:32:07,830
being what was your feeling an emotion

589
00:32:14,910 --> 00:32:11,980
well after he said I have chosen you to

590
00:32:18,570 --> 00:32:14,920
show the world I'm just wondering what

591
00:32:21,510 --> 00:32:18,580
is going on you know I'm just just a

592
00:32:25,889 --> 00:32:21,520
young young woman

593
00:32:28,980 --> 00:32:25,899
how can I be use to show the world

594
00:32:31,649 --> 00:32:28,990
something and as time went by I had many

595
00:32:35,070 --> 00:32:31,659
more encounters as you know this in five

596
00:32:37,529 --> 00:32:35,080
books written I've got Bob and I are

597
00:32:40,139 --> 00:32:37,539
working on the sixth or because I've had

598
00:32:41,669 --> 00:32:40,149
another experience with the one and I

599
00:32:46,980 --> 00:32:41,679
think it's more of a personal experience

600
00:32:52,139 --> 00:32:46,990
where it was directed directly to me but

601
00:32:56,149 --> 00:32:52,149
you know it's it has been hard and as we

602
00:33:02,190 --> 00:32:56,159
get older it's hard for me to remember

603
00:33:06,090 --> 00:33:02,200
oh well isn't that true for all of us is

604
00:33:10,980 --> 00:33:06,100
extremely important and yes I think I

605
00:33:13,620 --> 00:33:10,990
fear because of the now I know and I

606
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:13,630
believe I know because I was given

607
00:33:24,510 --> 00:33:16,210
something that I will be putting into

608
00:33:26,010 --> 00:33:24,520
the book how great the one is mm-hmm

609
00:33:29,130 --> 00:33:26,020
when you say you were given something

610
00:33:35,130 --> 00:33:29,140
you mean in terms of knowledge in terms

611
00:33:39,769 --> 00:33:35,140
of yes knowledge and also in being an

612
00:33:44,519 --> 00:33:39,779
amateur artist I started off with a

613
00:33:47,610 --> 00:33:44,529
picture and asking the one to please

614
00:33:50,370 --> 00:33:47,620
show me what it is all about and it

615
00:33:52,649 --> 00:33:50,380
started to expand and expand and expand

616
00:33:56,580 --> 00:33:52,659
and it opened up more and more to me and

617
00:34:01,049 --> 00:33:56,590
that's what I hope might be extremely

618
00:34:03,990 --> 00:34:01,059
helpful for the world oh that's that's

619
00:34:07,019 --> 00:34:04,000
good you know I wanted to ask you if you

620
00:34:10,169 --> 00:34:07,029
felt that they'd given you any

621
00:34:13,919 --> 00:34:10,179
information that you know the rest of us

622
00:34:15,780 --> 00:34:13,929
need to know that would help us or do

623
00:34:18,599 --> 00:34:15,790
you feel like they aren't here to help

624
00:34:20,669 --> 00:34:18,609
us or because it sounds like your

625
00:34:25,230 --> 00:34:20,679
experience was generally positive it's

626
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:25,240
strange but it was very positive yeah it

627
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:28,210
was very positive it's just that when

628
00:34:34,379 --> 00:34:31,690
you're in and with the unknown you know

629
00:34:35,250 --> 00:34:34,389
you tend to fear somewhat you know

630
00:34:36,829 --> 00:34:35,260
because

631
00:34:43,109 --> 00:34:36,839
you don't know what's going to happen

632
00:34:47,339 --> 00:34:43,119
we're just human he did give some things

633
00:34:49,559 --> 00:34:47,349
he spoke about where they're those

634
00:34:52,139 --> 00:34:49,569
particular beings are keepers of nature

635
00:34:54,419 --> 00:34:52,149
and all natural form so evidently they

636
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:54,429
watch over the earth and what's

637
00:34:59,220 --> 00:34:56,770
happening and can see the problems that

638
00:35:03,870 --> 00:34:59,230
we have you know and what we're doing to

639
00:35:07,650 --> 00:35:03,880
the planet so a lot of these things they

640
00:35:10,019 --> 00:35:07,660
were showing you know for me to

641
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:10,029
understand that we're in trouble right

642
00:35:20,670 --> 00:35:13,930
now you know but things can change if we

643
00:35:25,260 --> 00:35:20,680
can change do you feel like they're able

644
00:35:29,039 --> 00:35:25,270
to intervene in any way they doing some

645
00:35:30,870 --> 00:35:29,049
respect because being keeps us in nature

646
00:35:34,710 --> 00:35:30,880
and all-natural from they've been here

647
00:35:37,859 --> 00:35:34,720
since our very beginning and so know a

648
00:35:43,589 --> 00:35:37,869
lot of people think well those are

649
00:35:45,809 --> 00:35:43,599
angels the thing is what else is there

650
00:35:49,019 --> 00:35:45,819
you know and a lot of people don't

651
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:49,029
realize that God has made many things

652
00:35:57,809 --> 00:35:53,170
and many the human race the angelic race

653
00:36:01,200 --> 00:35:57,819
the beings being angelic race could have

654
00:36:04,710 --> 00:36:01,210
different looks and different degrees of

655
00:36:10,279 --> 00:36:04,720
what their jobs are to do we you know

656
00:36:19,559 --> 00:36:16,170
right well you know it would it would be

657
00:36:20,940 --> 00:36:19,569
I guess in a way if something happened I

658
00:36:24,390 --> 00:36:20,950
mean I would think if something like

659
00:36:27,839 --> 00:36:24,400
that happened to me then later I might

660
00:36:28,829 --> 00:36:27,849
start to question you know was you know

661
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:28,839
was I dreaming

662
00:36:35,789 --> 00:36:32,770
did you know am I going crazy but what

663
00:36:40,230 --> 00:36:35,799
you had was a real gift in that because

664
00:36:42,390 --> 00:36:40,240
they did allow Becky to sort of come

665
00:36:44,819 --> 00:36:42,400
back to consciousness as well during the

666
00:36:46,380 --> 00:36:44,829
incident you never had to really

667
00:36:47,810 --> 00:36:46,390
question whether something really

668
00:36:49,890 --> 00:36:47,820
happened or not

669
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:49,900
because there was always this other

670
00:36:58,880 --> 00:36:52,570
person that it happened to as well so it

671
00:37:01,890 --> 00:36:58,890
wasn't like okay I'm not crazy I mean

672
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:01,900
what happened when she was a baby she

673
00:37:09,750 --> 00:37:04,930
was just about two or three years old

674
00:37:15,720 --> 00:37:09,760
and the thing was she we were living in

675
00:37:18,630 --> 00:37:15,730
the apartment ground apartment and I was

676
00:37:20,940 --> 00:37:18,640
home with the children and the two were

677
00:37:24,540 --> 00:37:20,950
born at that time which was back in and

678
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:24,550
my son Jimmy and she was taken out of

679
00:37:33,870 --> 00:37:28,690
the house and somebody came knocking at

680
00:37:36,180 --> 00:37:33,880
the door and I had I was waiting for the

681
00:37:38,130 --> 00:37:36,190
kids to wake up and so I laid down for

682
00:37:40,170 --> 00:37:38,140
her briefly and I must have fallen

683
00:37:42,660 --> 00:37:40,180
asleep somebody was knocking on the door

684
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:42,670
and I went to the door and it was a

685
00:37:49,020 --> 00:37:45,490
woman who I did not know but she said

686
00:37:52,830 --> 00:37:49,030
your child is up in the sandbox playing

687
00:37:54,930 --> 00:37:52,840
and she is naked so I rushed out of the

688
00:37:59,070 --> 00:37:54,940
house and scooped her up and brought her

689
00:38:01,080 --> 00:37:59,080
into the house and the thing was there

690
00:38:03,180 --> 00:38:01,090
was no way she could get out of two

691
00:38:06,330 --> 00:38:03,190
locked doors and then all the windows

692
00:38:09,390 --> 00:38:06,340
were closed and talked for her age to be

693
00:38:11,990 --> 00:38:09,400
able to get out of her crib and and go

694
00:38:16,260 --> 00:38:12,000
out there to play in the sandbox

695
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:16,270
something happened and her experiences

696
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:20,530
are written in the Andreasen legacy she

697
00:38:24,930 --> 00:38:23,050
also underwent regressive hypnosis and

698
00:38:27,810 --> 00:38:24,940
that's when we found out what had

699
00:38:32,720 --> 00:38:27,820
happened she was taken out of the house

700
00:38:37,380 --> 00:38:32,730
and a lot of people when they have had a

701
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:37,390
UFO experience a lot of times it follows

702
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:40,330
in the family lines so that other

703
00:38:47,100 --> 00:38:43,090
members of the family also have things

704
00:38:48,230 --> 00:38:47,110
happening to them that's right I've

705
00:38:51,030 --> 00:38:48,240
heard that it you know it can be

706
00:38:53,070 --> 00:38:51,040
generational you know it happens and

707
00:38:55,380 --> 00:38:53,080
then it it will have happened to your

708
00:39:00,930 --> 00:38:55,390
parents and your grandparents and and

709
00:39:03,530 --> 00:39:00,940
that sort of thing now

710
00:39:06,180 --> 00:39:03,540
at some point after this major

711
00:39:13,950 --> 00:39:06,190
experience that involved your your whole

712
00:39:15,450 --> 00:39:13,960
family you ended up I at some point I

713
00:39:19,319 --> 00:39:15,460
guess you weren't married anymore to

714
00:39:23,579 --> 00:39:19,329
your to your husband and you you you

715
00:39:27,420 --> 00:39:23,589
went and did you move away from where

716
00:39:30,569 --> 00:39:27,430
you were living from the house that I

717
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:30,579
had the first experience yes we we moved

718
00:39:37,380 --> 00:39:34,210
from there and it was later we had built

719
00:39:42,210 --> 00:39:37,390
a large home and I had all seven

720
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:42,220
children with me and unfortunately my

721
00:39:48,569 --> 00:39:43,930
ex-husband he had a problem with

722
00:39:51,780 --> 00:39:48,579
drinking and hmm a lot of stuff that

723
00:39:57,359 --> 00:39:51,790
happened that he's you know disappeared

724
00:40:01,349 --> 00:39:57,369
and so forth it was I've handled a lot

725
00:40:02,720 --> 00:40:01,359
of hard times through my life like I'm

726
00:40:07,079 --> 00:40:02,730
fine

727
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:07,089
yeah yeah now but at some point you met

728
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:10,810
your husband Bob and Bob you know I know

729
00:40:15,329 --> 00:40:13,210
we were talking yesterday about how that

730
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:15,339
actually happened and it was kind of

731
00:40:20,609 --> 00:40:18,490
strange how it came about so I think you

732
00:40:22,950 --> 00:40:20,619
were driving clear cross country headed

733
00:40:25,650 --> 00:40:22,960
like for New York or something and then

734
00:40:27,270 --> 00:40:25,660
you ended up just suddenly for no reason

735
00:40:30,150 --> 00:40:27,280
deciding to head straight to Florida

736
00:40:31,380 --> 00:40:30,160
instead yeah was something that was

737
00:40:33,900 --> 00:40:31,390
totally unplanned

738
00:40:36,569 --> 00:40:33,910
you know there's something that I'm sure

739
00:40:38,700 --> 00:40:36,579
a lot of your listeners probably want to

740
00:40:42,930 --> 00:40:38,710
know and that he didn't bring up so I

741
00:40:47,150 --> 00:40:42,940
will first before this place was ever

742
00:40:50,010 --> 00:40:47,160
written there were extensive

743
00:40:52,710 --> 00:40:50,020
investigations done on everything from

744
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:52,720
her background to things that happened

745
00:40:59,339 --> 00:40:55,930
while she was this was supposedly going

746
00:41:01,020 --> 00:40:59,349
on like the power failure The Electric

747
00:41:02,910 --> 00:41:01,030
Company said yes there was a power

748
00:41:06,900 --> 00:41:02,920
failure at that time but they couldn't

749
00:41:09,540 --> 00:41:06,910
verify why it happened also bet he went

750
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:09,550
through lie-detector tests psychological

751
00:41:16,069 --> 00:41:14,130
examination psychiatric examination

752
00:41:18,289 --> 00:41:16,079
as a matter of fact at one point the

753
00:41:20,839 --> 00:41:18,299
psychiatrist was visiting us and stayed

754
00:41:23,990 --> 00:41:20,849
with us first till about five o'clock in

755
00:41:26,240 --> 00:41:24,000
the morning and we were outside he was

756
00:41:29,289 --> 00:41:26,250
ready to go home and a large cigar

757
00:41:33,259 --> 00:41:29,299
shaped cloud stopped over the house and

758
00:41:36,950 --> 00:41:33,269
he looked up and he noticed it and

759
00:41:38,509 --> 00:41:36,960
finally he said did you see that and I

760
00:41:44,839 --> 00:41:38,519
said yes but I wasn't gonna say anything

761
00:41:48,109 --> 00:41:44,849
until after you know this but anyway

762
00:41:52,519 --> 00:41:48,119
what happened with how we met I had had

763
00:41:53,870 --> 00:41:52,529
an experience in 1944 and in 1967 as

764
00:41:56,870 --> 00:41:53,880
well Wow

765
00:42:00,710 --> 00:41:56,880
67 I was also taking aboard the craft I

766
00:42:03,529 --> 00:42:00,720
was given a physical examination a good

767
00:42:05,329 --> 00:42:03,539
deal of it I remembered consciously up

768
00:42:14,329 --> 00:42:05,339
to the point where they took me aboard

769
00:42:17,690 --> 00:42:14,339
the craft for the exam and excuse me not

770
00:42:20,329 --> 00:42:17,700
just memories of that I had well as I

771
00:42:22,759 --> 00:42:20,339
was I was on my way to the beach and I

772
00:42:24,529 --> 00:42:22,769
got to an area called the trap Rock and

773
00:42:26,779 --> 00:42:24,539
there was a railroad spur that went into

774
00:42:29,180 --> 00:42:26,789
that trap rock for this so they could

775
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:29,190
haul the crushed stone and so forth out

776
00:42:34,039 --> 00:42:31,650
there were five men working on that

777
00:42:37,220 --> 00:42:34,049
railroad spur none of them were working

778
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:37,230
they were all looking up in the sky so I

779
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:39,690
looked up to see what it was that had

780
00:42:47,259 --> 00:42:43,170
attracted their attention and I saw two

781
00:42:49,759 --> 00:42:47,269
huge cigar shaped objects that were

782
00:42:52,759 --> 00:42:49,769
brilliant I'm just like highly polished

783
00:42:55,690 --> 00:42:52,769
chrome reflecting in the sunlight and it

784
00:42:59,569 --> 00:42:55,700
was a beautiful clear day that was very

785
00:43:01,519 --> 00:42:59,579
hardly a cloud in the sky well just a

786
00:43:03,170 --> 00:43:01,529
little ways down from where they were

787
00:43:05,839 --> 00:43:03,180
there was an area where I could pull off

788
00:43:07,490 --> 00:43:05,849
the road which I did and I started

789
00:43:09,829 --> 00:43:07,500
watching these two things

790
00:43:11,720 --> 00:43:09,839
it was amazing there was no wings no

791
00:43:14,690 --> 00:43:11,730
tail suction they obviously were not

792
00:43:17,809 --> 00:43:14,700
airplanes there was no exhaust no jet

793
00:43:19,490 --> 00:43:17,819
engines no noise so I watched them as

794
00:43:23,870 --> 00:43:19,500
they were headed toward New Haven

795
00:43:27,770 --> 00:43:23,880
Connecticut from where I was and a short

796
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:27,780
time later after I stopped to small

797
00:43:31,970 --> 00:43:30,210
disc-shaped objects dropped out at the

798
00:43:35,450 --> 00:43:31,980
bottom of these things one out of each

799
00:43:38,330 --> 00:43:35,460
one one went toward New Haven one went

800
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:38,340
in the exact opposite directions so I

801
00:43:42,590 --> 00:43:40,650
still sat and I watched over to larger

802
00:43:45,190 --> 00:43:42,600
ones were out of sight thinking wow that

803
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:45,200
was quite a thing whatever it was

804
00:43:50,180 --> 00:43:47,850
started on my way to the beach again got

805
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:50,190
a few miles down the road and this was a

806
00:43:56,240 --> 00:43:54,210
very rural area and all of a sudden I

807
00:43:58,750 --> 00:43:56,250
saw one of these smaller disc shaped

808
00:44:01,520 --> 00:43:58,760
craft coming down to the left of me and

809
00:44:04,370 --> 00:44:01,530
it was kind of floating down like with a

810
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:04,380
falling leaf motion and it got to a

811
00:44:10,910 --> 00:44:06,450
point several feet above the ground and

812
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:10,920
it just stopped that is strange

813
00:44:15,890 --> 00:44:13,650
and I'm looking at this thing and all of

814
00:44:18,710 --> 00:44:15,900
a sudden there was a brilliant flash of

815
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:18,720
red light like I could only compare it

816
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:21,570
to like a Ruby rhod laser very very

817
00:44:28,010 --> 00:44:24,810
intense red light and the next thing I

818
00:44:31,820 --> 00:44:28,020
know I'm not in my car anymore come

819
00:44:34,730 --> 00:44:31,830
inside this thing and it's totally

820
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:34,740
strange because for one thing everything

821
00:44:41,420 --> 00:44:38,850
is lit brightly with there are no

822
00:44:43,790 --> 00:44:41,430
shadows but I cannot see one light bulb

823
00:44:46,190 --> 00:44:43,800
or fluorescent light or anything but

824
00:44:49,010 --> 00:44:46,200
it's almost as if the actual atmosphere

825
00:44:51,740 --> 00:44:49,020
was lit inside there and there was one

826
00:44:54,740 --> 00:44:51,750
of these little grey beings very similar

827
00:44:58,940 --> 00:44:54,750
to what Betty had seen except these guys

828
00:45:01,040 --> 00:44:58,950
had on skin tight red uniforms with a

829
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:01,050
lightning bolt on the left-hand side of

830
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:02,610
the chest or what looked like a

831
00:45:08,060 --> 00:45:05,610
lightning bolt but they had the large

832
00:45:12,050 --> 00:45:08,070
gray bulbous heads in the huge black

833
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:12,060
eyes and so on I was told to undress

834
00:45:18,620 --> 00:45:15,810
which I did mostly out of fear and I was

835
00:45:21,230 --> 00:45:18,630
put on a very odd table and and I say

836
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:21,240
odd because there were no straps or

837
00:45:26,690 --> 00:45:23,970
restraints on this table but once they

838
00:45:28,460 --> 00:45:26,700
put me on it I could not move it was

839
00:45:31,220 --> 00:45:28,470
almost like somebody put superglue up

840
00:45:34,450 --> 00:45:31,230
and down my back I've had a little moon

841
00:45:39,210 --> 00:45:34,460
my head in my eyes and that was about it

842
00:45:41,609 --> 00:45:39,220
they took samples of fingernail skin

843
00:45:43,070 --> 00:45:41,619
my ankles they moved my head in

844
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:43,080
different directions

845
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:46,450
another thing that was really totally

846
00:45:53,849 --> 00:45:49,930
blew my mind as one of them was walking

847
00:45:59,430 --> 00:45:53,859
by me he turned from a solid physical

848
00:46:02,040 --> 00:45:59,440
being into a being of just life it was

849
00:46:07,530 --> 00:46:02,050
just a color just faded out of them and

850
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:07,540
that kind of you know got my mind and I

851
00:46:13,290 --> 00:46:10,210
in a real tizzy because I didn't know

852
00:46:14,730 --> 00:46:13,300
what to expect and I wanted to get out

853
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:14,740
of there

854
00:46:19,230 --> 00:46:17,170
in the worst way I wanted to get out if

855
00:46:22,170 --> 00:46:19,240
I if I told you I wasn't afraid I'd be

856
00:46:24,599 --> 00:46:22,180
lying and they told me don't worry we're

857
00:46:26,130 --> 00:46:24,609
not gonna hurt you and all I'm thinking

858
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:26,140
yeah you're not gonna hurt me but here

859
00:46:30,630 --> 00:46:28,090
I'm stuck on this table I can't move

860
00:46:33,390 --> 00:46:30,640
and that's I've never since that point

861
00:46:36,060 --> 00:46:33,400
I've been a little claustrophobic but

862
00:46:37,980 --> 00:46:36,070
anyway when they finished the last thing

863
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:37,990
they did was scan me from head to foot

864
00:46:45,300 --> 00:46:41,770
with something like an x-ray machine I

865
00:46:48,290 --> 00:46:45,310
guess you'd call it and it gave off a

866
00:46:51,630 --> 00:46:48,300
pinkish white light very strange light

867
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:51,640
that they scanned me and then when they

868
00:46:57,270 --> 00:46:53,410
were done with me I was put back in my

869
00:47:00,359 --> 00:46:57,280
car and headed to the beach now the last

870
00:47:03,630 --> 00:47:00,369
thing I remember consciously was seeing

871
00:47:05,220 --> 00:47:03,640
this brilliant flash of red light it

872
00:47:07,910 --> 00:47:05,230
should have taken me about a half hour

873
00:47:13,380 --> 00:47:07,920
to get to the beach but when I got there

874
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:13,390
I was hungry I went to a restaurant two

875
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:17,050
and a half hours had passed and I never

876
00:47:23,820 --> 00:47:19,930
knew where that name had gone until I

877
00:47:28,700 --> 00:47:23,830
had went with the investigators in

878
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:28,710
Connecticut and under what hypnosis so

879
00:47:35,099 --> 00:47:31,810
did you feel like though that something

880
00:47:39,359 --> 00:47:35,109
had happened or you know did you feel

881
00:47:41,670 --> 00:47:39,369
like uneasy yeah I knew something was

882
00:47:42,150 --> 00:47:41,680
wrong I mean it that part of my life was

883
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:42,160
gone

884
00:47:47,099 --> 00:47:45,010
I mean it's just you know I knew the

885
00:47:50,310 --> 00:47:47,109
drive I'd done it a thousand times and

886
00:47:52,050 --> 00:47:50,320
it takes a half hour or so and yeah two

887
00:47:53,490 --> 00:47:52,060
and a half hours in my life I couldn't

888
00:47:56,109 --> 00:47:53,500
account for

889
00:47:58,120 --> 00:47:56,119
and then and of course you couple that

890
00:48:00,010 --> 00:47:58,130
with remembering seeing the two big

891
00:48:01,990 --> 00:48:00,020
cigar shaped things and then the smaller

892
00:48:05,140 --> 00:48:02,000
disk shaped crap

893
00:48:07,359 --> 00:48:05,150
and okay you get you've got a problem

894
00:48:09,940 --> 00:48:07,369
here but what is it I didn't know four

895
00:48:11,829 --> 00:48:09,950
years until I under what hypnosis and I

896
00:48:14,410 --> 00:48:11,839
didn't tell anybody even when I saw

897
00:48:16,630 --> 00:48:14,420
those things I told my parents and I

898
00:48:19,870 --> 00:48:16,640
told my best friend who was a police

899
00:48:21,849 --> 00:48:19,880
officer in town at the time I didn't

900
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:21,859
tell anybody else cuz I didn't want to

901
00:48:28,180 --> 00:48:24,290
end up in a rubber room to be honest

902
00:48:32,799 --> 00:48:28,190
with you how did your parents react to

903
00:48:36,250 --> 00:48:32,809
it well actually it was a little

904
00:48:38,079 --> 00:48:36,260
shocking to me as my mother actually had

905
00:48:42,130 --> 00:48:38,089
had a sighting and she said she

906
00:48:44,470 --> 00:48:42,140
remembered the inside of a craft but she

907
00:48:46,870 --> 00:48:44,480
would never until the day she died she

908
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:46,880
would never undergo hypnosis or pursue

909
00:48:54,809 --> 00:48:49,010
it in any way she was fearful of it

910
00:48:58,870 --> 00:48:54,819
my dad he was in the aerospace industry

911
00:49:01,630 --> 00:48:58,880
and he was very closed mouth till the

912
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:01,640
day he died he rarely I mean he just

913
00:49:09,549 --> 00:49:04,930
didn't discuss it with me you know I

914
00:49:13,329 --> 00:49:09,559
what he knew from his position and his

915
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:13,339
job I don't know but he just talked

916
00:49:28,809 --> 00:49:26,690
about it so yeah this is where yeah so

917
00:49:32,559 --> 00:49:28,819
this is you've gone through all this and

918
00:49:36,700 --> 00:49:32,569
then subsequent to that was this really

919
00:49:38,829 --> 00:49:36,710
bugging you because at some point you

920
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:38,839
did you did figure out you know what had

921
00:49:43,450 --> 00:49:41,450
happened and then but you didn't really

922
00:49:48,609 --> 00:49:43,460
have many people to talk to about it

923
00:49:52,030 --> 00:49:48,619
right you just talked to your parents he

924
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:52,040
told your best friend but you they

925
00:49:59,200 --> 00:49:54,290
couldn't really relate so much to what

926
00:50:02,740 --> 00:49:59,210
you'd experienced no and so how did that

927
00:50:06,670 --> 00:50:02,750
lead us to to Betty well a friend of

928
00:50:07,359 --> 00:50:06,680
mine and I had a camp trailer and work

929
00:50:09,549 --> 00:50:07,369
was a little

930
00:50:11,650 --> 00:50:09,559
low in Connecticut so we were taking a

931
00:50:14,589 --> 00:50:11,660
ride around the country to look for work

932
00:50:16,509 --> 00:50:14,599
in different areas and we had been down

933
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:16,519
to the southern portion of the country

934
00:50:21,579 --> 00:50:18,650
were in Texas in California and Oregon

935
00:50:25,900 --> 00:50:21,589
and then we had started home along the

936
00:50:29,739 --> 00:50:25,910
northern tier of the country coming back

937
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:29,749
to Connecticut and kind of spur the

938
00:50:36,730 --> 00:50:33,650
moment I think Eddy suggested that we go

939
00:50:39,549 --> 00:50:36,740
to Florida so just yeah we just went

940
00:50:42,700 --> 00:50:39,559
period so that's this is several

941
00:50:45,130 --> 00:50:42,710
thousand miles out of our way and we got

942
00:50:48,099 --> 00:50:45,140
the Florida and parked our camp trailer

943
00:50:51,519 --> 00:50:48,109
on his sister-in-laws lon

944
00:50:53,620 --> 00:50:51,529
and during the course of dinner one

945
00:50:57,130 --> 00:50:53,630
evening she mentioned she worked with a

946
00:50:59,769 --> 00:50:57,140
woman that had had a UFO experience and

947
00:51:02,819 --> 00:50:59,779
I said Wow I have to talk to this woman

948
00:51:04,900 --> 00:51:02,829
so I went down to her betty was working

949
00:51:08,349 --> 00:51:04,910
and she wouldn't talk to me

950
00:51:11,259 --> 00:51:08,359
the investigators his mother beware of

951
00:51:13,420 --> 00:51:11,269
reporters she thought I was a reporter

952
00:51:15,430 --> 00:51:13,430
and boy if she gave me a hard time I

953
00:51:18,819 --> 00:51:15,440
mean there's no she just wasn't going to

954
00:51:20,950 --> 00:51:18,829
talk so I kept it up and kept it up and

955
00:51:24,549 --> 00:51:20,960
finally I got her to agree to to have

956
00:51:26,319 --> 00:51:24,559
lunch with me the next day and from that

957
00:51:31,479 --> 00:51:26,329
point on I've been buying her lunch spot

958
00:51:33,700 --> 00:51:31,489
ever since you know I could talk to her

959
00:51:36,759 --> 00:51:33,710
I wasn't afraid of being ridiculed

960
00:51:40,539 --> 00:51:36,769
she knew what what I felt because she

961
00:51:42,339 --> 00:51:40,549
already had these experiences so we got

962
00:51:45,279 --> 00:51:42,349
along you know right from the beginning

963
00:51:49,539 --> 00:51:45,289
we got along terrific and we still do

964
00:51:53,979 --> 00:51:49,549
for some reason it's amazing no that is

965
00:51:57,309 --> 00:51:53,989
amazing in this day and age Betty when

966
00:52:01,839 --> 00:51:57,319
he tortures yeah oh I know

967
00:52:09,430 --> 00:52:01,849
congratulations on that Betty was 2

968
00:52:14,579 --> 00:52:09,440
years and then I got very new boss and

969
00:52:17,529 --> 00:52:14,589
it's been 35 years yeah that is amazing

970
00:52:21,250 --> 00:52:17,539
when he was telling you about his story

971
00:52:23,260 --> 00:52:21,260
Betty were you recognizing thing

972
00:52:24,970 --> 00:52:23,270
in his story that you could relate to

973
00:52:30,270 --> 00:52:24,980
and I mean did you feel like he was

974
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:34,150
really great I mean you know you could

975
00:52:40,300 --> 00:52:37,010
see he was serious you know so that made

976
00:52:42,970 --> 00:52:40,310
me feel good to know that he really was

977
00:52:46,720 --> 00:52:42,980
trying to find out to what was going on

978
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:46,730
you know so that that was really good

979
00:52:52,300 --> 00:52:49,010
and but there were so many things that

980
00:52:55,900 --> 00:52:52,310
were happening Rene that it's time to

981
00:52:59,530 --> 00:52:55,910
recall everything because there were

982
00:53:02,530 --> 00:52:59,540
times that we we went through some

983
00:53:05,230 --> 00:53:02,540
really difficult times not our marriage

984
00:53:10,690 --> 00:53:05,240
but with things happening in our

985
00:53:13,330 --> 00:53:10,700
household and also it seems like the

986
00:53:16,630 --> 00:53:13,340
government surveillance and everything

987
00:53:20,370 --> 00:53:16,640
we went through followed by unmarked

988
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:20,380
cars our telephone was constantly bugged

989
00:53:27,220 --> 00:53:23,090
Barba's better off telling you all those

990
00:53:29,350 --> 00:53:27,230
things he kept track of a lot of it well

991
00:53:32,020 --> 00:53:29,360
we definitely we're going to get into

992
00:53:34,350 --> 00:53:32,030
that after the next break which we're

993
00:53:39,670 --> 00:53:34,360
going to take in just a couple minutes

994
00:53:41,350 --> 00:53:39,680
but so you guys basically once you

995
00:53:43,990 --> 00:53:41,360
really figured out that you were both

996
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:44,000
having the same genuine type of

997
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:47,690
experience then it wasn't too long where

998
00:53:53,370 --> 00:53:50,210
you guys were just together and ended up

999
00:53:55,720 --> 00:53:53,380
getting married and then did you have

1000
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:55,730
continuing experiences after you got

1001
00:53:58,930 --> 00:53:56,210
married

1002
00:54:05,230 --> 00:53:58,940
yeah or did you have any experiences

1003
00:54:09,670 --> 00:54:05,240
together together yes and did you

1004
00:54:12,310 --> 00:54:09,680
remember remember any of those or did

1005
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:12,320
you just kind of know oh something's

1006
00:54:19,890 --> 00:54:14,810
happen again we better go and see what

1007
00:54:27,130 --> 00:54:23,080
parts parts were remembered prior to the

1008
00:54:31,590 --> 00:54:27,140
hypnosis we did yes and no physical

1009
00:54:34,720 --> 00:54:31,600
evidence traces left at different times

1010
00:54:39,370 --> 00:54:34,730
and it's very unusual

1011
00:54:42,970 --> 00:54:39,380
not only the UFO phenomena but

1012
00:54:47,380 --> 00:54:42,980
paranormal things were going on you know

1013
00:54:49,930 --> 00:54:47,390
that you couldn't explain and usually

1014
00:54:52,420 --> 00:54:49,940
the paranormal is so much harder to

1015
00:54:54,580 --> 00:54:52,430
explain then you know when you set

1016
00:54:57,099 --> 00:54:54,590
beings in the air with you

1017
00:54:58,930 --> 00:54:57,109
and things are going on and you can you

1018
00:55:01,240 --> 00:54:58,940
know they're they're testing you and

1019
00:55:03,609 --> 00:55:01,250
checking you well you know exactly

1020
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:03,619
what's happening but a lot of the

1021
00:55:07,150 --> 00:55:05,570
paranormal things just all of a sudden

1022
00:55:09,910 --> 00:55:07,160
are there and happening and you're

1023
00:55:13,420 --> 00:55:09,920
wondering oh what is this why is this

1024
00:55:16,590 --> 00:55:13,430
happening but I think we're open oh dear

1025
00:55:20,620 --> 00:55:16,600
it that's what it is you know and and

1026
00:55:22,990 --> 00:55:20,630
life is all around us it's just that our

1027
00:55:25,450 --> 00:55:23,000
eyes do not see that our eyes are closed

1028
00:55:28,330 --> 00:55:25,460
and probably for the best for our eyes

1029
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:28,340
to be closed because probably people

1030
00:55:36,910 --> 00:55:34,330
would be an extreme skier yeah I mean

1031
00:55:40,690 --> 00:55:36,920
but I wonder if there'll be a time when

1032
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:40,700
we're ready for at all yeah but being

1033
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:44,690
told me that that I would have to ring

1034
00:55:56,290 --> 00:55:48,770
my 1967 encounter that I would have to

1035
00:55:59,710 --> 00:55:56,300
forget what had happened until my race

1036
00:56:02,530 --> 00:55:59,720
which leads me then it would start to

1037
00:56:04,750 --> 00:56:02,540
open up and I guess that is when a lot

1038
00:56:06,820 --> 00:56:04,760
of the information started to come out

1039
00:56:09,820 --> 00:56:06,830
because the investigators were

1040
00:56:12,450 --> 00:56:09,830
interested and of course that's showing

1041
00:56:15,310 --> 00:56:12,460
that the people are starting to awake to

1042
00:56:18,450 --> 00:56:15,320
you know what else is around in our

1043
00:56:22,240 --> 00:56:18,460
world even though our eyes absolutely

1044
00:56:24,580 --> 00:56:22,250
and I think even I think now it's even

1045
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:24,590
more so so it's funny that now you're

1046
00:56:28,930 --> 00:56:27,170
you know sort of reimburse back into the

1047
00:56:30,460 --> 00:56:28,940
public eye but we're going to have to

1048
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:30,470
take another quick break and when we

1049
00:56:34,240 --> 00:56:32,570
come back I want to hear about some of

1050
00:56:36,240 --> 00:56:34,250
the paranormal activities I know that

1051
00:56:39,190 --> 00:56:36,250
our listeners would like to hear and

1052
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:39,200
also about the harassment that you've

1053
00:56:43,540 --> 00:56:41,210
undergone will finally get into that

1054
00:56:45,090 --> 00:56:43,550
dark stuff alright we're going to be

1055
00:56:47,820 --> 00:56:45,100
right back in just a few minute

1056
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:47,830
with Betty andreas and Luca and Bob Luca

1057
00:56:52,380 --> 00:56:49,810
please stay tuned we'll be right back

1058
00:56:54,300 --> 00:56:52,390
welcome back back to night vision radio

1059
00:56:56,370 --> 00:56:54,310
on your host Renee Barnett we're talking

1060
00:56:59,310 --> 00:56:56,380
with Betty andreas and Luca and Bob

1061
00:57:03,930 --> 00:56:59,320
Lucca about their strange alien

1062
00:57:05,460 --> 00:57:03,940
abduction experiences and subsequent

1063
00:57:08,340 --> 00:57:05,470
occurrences we'll just put it that way

1064
00:57:11,580 --> 00:57:08,350
now Betty before the break you were

1065
00:57:14,100 --> 00:57:11,590
talking and in in Bob feel free to jump

1066
00:57:15,690 --> 00:57:14,110
in any time because I imagine you've

1067
00:57:18,090 --> 00:57:15,700
been a witness to some of this stuff too

1068
00:57:20,130 --> 00:57:18,100
but you were talking about subsequent to

1069
00:57:22,650 --> 00:57:20,140
your experiences you started having a

1070
00:57:27,980 --> 00:57:22,660
lot of paranormal activity in the house

1071
00:57:37,140 --> 00:57:33,600
we've had different voices in the house

1072
00:57:40,380 --> 00:57:37,150
like there's a party going on and we

1073
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:40,390
don't know where what's doing it we've

1074
00:57:50,540 --> 00:57:46,090
had two psychic say that we have portals

1075
00:57:53,430 --> 00:57:50,550
open in our basement one under the

1076
00:57:56,190 --> 00:57:53,440
cellar stairs and the other is our way

1077
00:58:02,310 --> 00:57:56,200
on the opposite side we on the right

1078
00:58:05,100 --> 00:58:02,320
there in the same area but on the

1079
00:58:07,500 --> 00:58:05,110
opposite side of it another portal is

1080
00:58:10,410 --> 00:58:07,510
open and we've had a lot of strange

1081
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:10,420
things but we've also had the girls had

1082
00:58:17,790 --> 00:58:14,290
seen a pearl shadow person more than

1083
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:17,800
once in the house and I chased up what I

1084
00:58:23,250 --> 00:58:20,290
thought was a man that had entered our

1085
00:58:25,980 --> 00:58:23,260
basement there was only one way out I

1086
00:58:29,460 --> 00:58:25,990
followed this guy down into the basement

1087
00:58:33,540 --> 00:58:29,470
and when I got there I was the only one

1088
00:58:35,310 --> 00:58:33,550
there we also had problems with lights

1089
00:58:38,730 --> 00:58:35,320
that would go on and off by themselves

1090
00:58:43,020 --> 00:58:38,740
in the house one morning we came down

1091
00:58:46,650 --> 00:58:43,030
and in the kitchen the kitchen had crown

1092
00:58:49,410 --> 00:58:46,660
molding all of the crown molding was on

1093
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:49,420
the floor and all of the finishing nails

1094
00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:53,290
were still in the wall and at the same

1095
00:58:58,440 --> 00:58:56,290
time there was a big stainless steel pot

1096
00:59:00,510 --> 00:58:58,450
which has a roll

1097
00:59:04,530 --> 00:59:00,520
top edge and stainless steel is very

1098
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:04,540
tough that pot split right through the

1099
00:59:09,300 --> 00:59:07,210
rolled edge and was also what looked

1100
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:09,310
like itching on some of our drinking

1101
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:12,970
glasses and this was photographed by a

1102
00:59:19,859 --> 00:59:15,210
professional photographer from

1103
00:59:23,550 --> 00:59:19,869
Massachusetts the neighborhood kids were

1104
00:59:25,770 --> 00:59:23,560
over one time dancing with the two girls

1105
00:59:31,770 --> 00:59:25,780
the lights started going off and on in

1106
00:59:34,230 --> 00:59:31,780
the house the kids took off around after

1107
00:59:37,770 --> 00:59:34,240
another like that for a long period of

1108
00:59:40,050 --> 00:59:37,780
time even the investigators the police

1109
00:59:42,710 --> 00:59:40,060
officer Larry for us it was at our house

1110
00:59:45,630 --> 00:59:42,720
with his wife we were having dinner and

1111
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:45,640
we had an out of here with glass shelves

1112
00:59:48,750 --> 00:59:47,770
and on that glass shelf was a glass

1113
00:59:51,930 --> 00:59:48,760
dinner bell

1114
00:59:54,089 --> 00:59:51,940
well the Bell started to ring to Larry

1115
00:59:57,480 --> 00:59:54,099
the police officer jumped up and ran

1116
01:00:01,290 --> 00:59:57,490
over real quick to look at it there was

1117
01:00:03,180 --> 01:00:01,300
also liquor on that same shelf the

1118
01:00:05,670 --> 01:00:03,190
liquor was not moving it was not

1119
01:00:07,890 --> 01:00:05,680
disturbed in any way and yet that Dell

1120
01:00:09,930 --> 01:00:07,900
was ringing and that's just you know a

1121
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:09,940
couple of examples of different types of

1122
01:00:14,940 --> 01:00:12,010
things that we'd experience we came home

1123
01:00:17,130 --> 01:00:14,950
one evening and from the movies I think

1124
01:00:20,309 --> 01:00:17,140
it was in Barb and I were sitting on the

1125
01:00:22,980 --> 01:00:20,319
chairs in the kitchen and all of a

1126
01:00:26,700 --> 01:00:22,990
sudden that was like a choir of angels

1127
01:00:35,549 --> 01:00:26,710
singing it was the most beautiful music

1128
01:01:26,560 --> 01:00:42,549
was it coming from the window it was

1129
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:29,140
we're seeing them or going through them

1130
01:01:39,850 --> 01:01:36,890
but they're there well now why do you

1131
01:01:43,620 --> 01:01:39,860
think or do you have any any opinion as

1132
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:43,630
to why that might be happening i

1133
01:01:52,900 --> 01:01:49,690
subsequent to your experiences because

1134
01:01:55,990 --> 01:01:52,910
you know there's more than just this

1135
01:01:59,410 --> 01:01:56,000
what we see with our eyes well we looked

1136
01:02:02,130 --> 01:01:59,420
at it a little bit differently I look at

1137
01:02:04,570 --> 01:02:02,140
it as we are living in an

1138
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:04,580
interdimensional or multi-dimensional

1139
01:02:10,450 --> 01:02:07,490
universe and I think that the veil

1140
01:02:14,050 --> 01:02:10,460
between these dimensions has been

1141
01:02:16,450 --> 01:02:14,060
growing thinner as time passes and also

1142
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:16,460
many people who have been involved in

1143
01:02:22,180 --> 01:02:19,370
the UFO phenomena have had this almost

1144
01:02:26,620 --> 01:02:22,190
like poltergeist activity that seems to

1145
01:02:29,620 --> 01:02:26,630
follow for some reason well that's only

1146
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:29,630
my opinion that's I can't prove and the

1147
01:02:35,380 --> 01:02:31,370
book that's interesting we are writing

1148
01:02:37,870 --> 01:02:35,390
together the the title in is lifting the

1149
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:37,880
veil we're going to try and show some of

1150
01:02:43,750 --> 01:02:41,050
those other things that had occurred Oh

1151
01:02:46,270 --> 01:02:43,760
that'll be interesting now you said that

1152
01:02:48,130 --> 01:02:46,280
you had photographed some of the some of

1153
01:02:52,030 --> 01:02:48,140
the things or had them photographed will

1154
01:02:55,030 --> 01:02:52,040
there be any pictures in in the book of

1155
01:02:59,500 --> 01:02:55,040
any of that paranormal that seeing any

1156
01:03:01,360 --> 01:02:59,510
of that pictures they'll be drawing so

1157
01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:01,370
I'll be doing some line drawing

1158
01:03:06,490 --> 01:03:03,650
structure because the picture in front

1159
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:06,500
of you because you look better idea of

1160
01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:09,170
what is happening you know and I guess

1161
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:12,530
that's what the investigators were happy

1162
01:03:17,620 --> 01:03:15,170
over because it helped them to also see

1163
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:17,630
about the craft all the different the

1164
01:03:24,010 --> 01:03:20,450
machinery I saw you know I think that

1165
01:03:27,310 --> 01:03:24,020
might be partly why the government has

1166
01:03:33,250 --> 01:03:27,320
been interested in us because somebody

1167
01:03:35,590 --> 01:03:33,260
broke into our real one time and nothing

1168
01:03:37,330 --> 01:03:35,600
was taken there was expensive stuff in

1169
01:03:39,420 --> 01:03:37,340
there but nothing was taken but some

1170
01:03:45,779 --> 01:03:39,430
drawings that I had

1171
01:03:49,019 --> 01:03:45,789
which pertain to a craft the drawings

1172
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:49,029
were taken yeah they were taken yep we

1173
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:51,490
were going to a lecture and we were away

1174
01:04:00,210 --> 01:03:53,890
and when we came home the door had been

1175
01:04:03,269 --> 01:04:00,220
broken in and the interesting thing and

1176
01:04:05,279 --> 01:04:03,279
this happened more than once but we

1177
01:04:07,289 --> 01:04:05,289
lived in it was in a rural area and a

1178
01:04:09,660 --> 01:04:07,299
campground so we had to have a local

1179
01:04:11,519 --> 01:04:09,670
state trooper come up to do the

1180
01:04:14,759 --> 01:04:11,529
paperwork so I could get the insurance

1181
01:04:16,589 --> 01:04:14,769
to replace the door and we told them

1182
01:04:18,509 --> 01:04:16,599
straight out that we thought it was a

1183
01:04:20,579 --> 01:04:18,519
government agency involved that we were

1184
01:04:24,089 --> 01:04:20,589
heavily involved in the UFO phenomena

1185
01:04:25,980 --> 01:04:24,099
and the man was pretty good he said well

1186
01:04:28,980 --> 01:04:25,990
look he said if I find anything out he

1187
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:28,990
said I will tell you the following week

1188
01:04:35,549 --> 01:04:32,650
I went down to the troopers office to

1189
01:04:38,430 --> 01:04:35,559
talk to him and he had been transferred

1190
01:04:41,579 --> 01:04:38,440
out of the area and he couldn't tell me

1191
01:04:44,309 --> 01:04:41,589
where he went and this also happened to

1192
01:04:46,170 --> 01:04:44,319
me with an FAA official that came all

1193
01:04:49,170 --> 01:04:46,180
the way down to our house from the

1194
01:04:52,349 --> 01:04:49,180
Boston area because of the black pellet

1195
01:04:54,900 --> 01:04:52,359
because of the black helicopters he left

1196
01:04:57,059 --> 01:04:54,910
a note on the weekend and Tuesday when I

1197
01:05:00,989 --> 01:04:57,069
called I was told he had been

1198
01:05:03,029 --> 01:05:00,999
transferred and they didn't they didn't

1199
01:05:05,039 --> 01:05:03,039
have a forwarding address they couldn't

1200
01:05:07,710 --> 01:05:05,049
tell me where he went yeah but anyway

1201
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:07,720
the government got really interested

1202
01:05:12,420 --> 01:05:10,450
after when the first book came out first

1203
01:05:15,180 --> 01:05:12,430
we started noticing these black

1204
01:05:16,950 --> 01:05:15,190
helicopters over the house and they got

1205
01:05:19,549 --> 01:05:16,960
more and more frequent and lower and

1206
01:05:22,559 --> 01:05:19,559
lower until one of our neighbors a City

1207
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:22,569
Councilwoman started to document the

1208
01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:24,730
times and base of these flights because

1209
01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:26,170
they were so low the windows would

1210
01:05:33,239 --> 01:05:29,170
rattle in the house where we moved from

1211
01:05:35,279 --> 01:05:33,249
there the Cheshire Connecticut and lo

1212
01:05:37,019 --> 01:05:35,289
and behold the flight stopped and neared

1213
01:05:39,479 --> 01:05:37,029
him and they started in Cheshire where

1214
01:05:41,599 --> 01:05:39,489
we work not only did we have the

1215
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:41,609
helicopter flights which were black

1216
01:05:49,410 --> 01:05:44,650
unmarked helicopters which I took many

1217
01:05:51,479 --> 01:05:49,420
photos of with the IRS got well let's

1218
01:05:53,130 --> 01:05:51,489
say they wanted to help us because every

1219
01:05:55,829 --> 01:05:53,140
year for several years

1220
01:05:57,359 --> 01:05:55,839
all this in for an audit so you know

1221
01:05:58,740 --> 01:05:57,369
that they could keep our finances

1222
01:06:02,160 --> 01:05:58,750
straight for us and we wouldn't have to

1223
01:06:04,559 --> 01:06:02,170
worry about it so we have your audits

1224
01:06:07,769 --> 01:06:04,569
when the IRS we had these helicopters

1225
01:06:09,690 --> 01:06:07,779
which I checked with everyone every

1226
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:09,700
single Department of the military the

1227
01:06:15,450 --> 01:06:12,490
CIA the FBI the helicopter manufacturer

1228
01:06:17,579 --> 01:06:15,460
is a Federal Aviation Administration no

1229
01:06:21,390 --> 01:06:17,589
one could tell us whose helicopters they

1230
01:06:23,190 --> 01:06:21,400
were and they flew illegally low over

1231
01:06:26,250 --> 01:06:23,200
our house because I was taking flying

1232
01:06:28,500 --> 01:06:26,260
lessons at the time and the regulations

1233
01:06:30,870 --> 01:06:28,510
say yes a helicopter can fly low but it

1234
01:06:32,759 --> 01:06:30,880
has to be 500 feet laterally away from

1235
01:06:34,980 --> 01:06:32,769
your house well these things had come

1236
01:06:36,930 --> 01:06:34,990
right over and low enough where I could

1237
01:06:39,900 --> 01:06:36,940
take a baseball if I water than hit up

1238
01:06:44,339 --> 01:06:39,910
would not be a problem then we started

1239
01:06:46,650 --> 01:06:44,349
to be followed every place we went we

1240
01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:46,660
were these cars would be behind us and

1241
01:06:52,019 --> 01:06:48,730
that was almost obvious they weren't

1242
01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:52,029
very good at it and as a young fella I

1243
01:06:55,769 --> 01:06:54,250
used to build race cars and I used to

1244
01:06:59,309 --> 01:06:55,779
race on the street because there was no

1245
01:07:01,200 --> 01:06:59,319
racetracks where we live so several

1246
01:07:03,180 --> 01:07:01,210
times I was able to get behind these

1247
01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:03,190
cars and get the license plates

1248
01:07:08,849 --> 01:07:06,250
I gave them to police lieutenant Larry

1249
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:08,859
Fawcett and when he ran the plates they

1250
01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:13,690
came back as unissued so you know who's

1251
01:07:23,700 --> 01:07:15,970
driving plates with unissued I mean

1252
01:07:25,740 --> 01:07:23,710
tires without issues exactly whether we

1253
01:07:27,799 --> 01:07:25,750
were in Florida Connecticut New

1254
01:07:31,980 --> 01:07:27,809
Hampshire didn't matter where we were

1255
01:07:33,720 --> 01:07:31,990
and the government knew I don't know if

1256
01:07:35,930 --> 01:07:33,730
they had our house bugged oh I'm gonna

1257
01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:35,940
give you one example you know Patricia

1258
01:07:41,130 --> 01:07:38,890
we were doing the Trisha Baker yeah and

1259
01:07:43,079 --> 01:07:41,140
I wanted to thank you for reminding me

1260
01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:43,089
because I wanted to thank Patricia on

1261
01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:45,250
the air she's actually been a past guest

1262
01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:49,930
on my show a couple years ago and she's

1263
01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:52,210
working with the two of you in promoting

1264
01:07:58,019 --> 01:07:55,410
your book and in subsequent projects

1265
01:08:00,660 --> 01:07:58,029
yeah and I really wanted to thank her

1266
01:08:04,799 --> 01:08:00,670
for arranging this for us because it's

1267
01:08:06,930 --> 01:08:04,809
been just great now go ahead Bob sorry

1268
01:08:10,170 --> 01:08:06,940
okay we were doing a private

1269
01:08:12,930 --> 01:08:10,180
to her home and Betty had just finished

1270
01:08:14,339 --> 01:08:12,940
talking about Earth experiences and I

1271
01:08:17,070 --> 01:08:14,349
started to talk about the black

1272
01:08:19,349 --> 01:08:17,080
helicopters and all of a sudden the

1273
01:08:21,660 --> 01:08:19,359
noise came the window started to rattle

1274
01:08:23,939 --> 01:08:21,670
everyone looked out the windows and

1275
01:08:26,370 --> 01:08:23,949
there was the black helicopter passing

1276
01:08:27,539 --> 01:08:26,380
over the house now you might say

1277
01:08:29,729 --> 01:08:27,549
coincidence

1278
01:08:31,349 --> 01:08:29,739
few weeks later we were doing another

1279
01:08:32,249 --> 01:08:31,359
private lecture in New Britain

1280
01:08:34,349 --> 01:08:32,259
Connecticut

1281
01:08:36,599 --> 01:08:34,359
Betty finished talking about our

1282
01:08:40,079 --> 01:08:36,609
experiences I started talking about the

1283
01:08:41,970 --> 01:08:40,089
helicopters along comes a helicopter

1284
01:08:44,400 --> 01:08:41,980
over New Britain over this was

1285
01:08:47,820 --> 01:08:44,410
Adventists home that we were doing a

1286
01:08:50,090 --> 01:08:47,830
lecture and two weeks after that we were

1287
01:08:54,209 --> 01:08:50,100
doing a lecture at the house of a

1288
01:08:57,240 --> 01:08:54,219
contractor same exact thing they knew

1289
01:09:00,479 --> 01:08:57,250
where we were what was happening because

1290
01:09:03,539 --> 01:09:00,489
what happened was I was receiving some

1291
01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:03,549
messages from the beings at times and I

1292
01:09:07,890 --> 01:09:05,290
would write them down right away

1293
01:09:13,410 --> 01:09:07,900
whatever I was spoken to me I would

1294
01:09:15,059 --> 01:09:13,420
write down and for some reason as soon

1295
01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:15,069
as I started receiving those messages

1296
01:09:19,709 --> 01:09:17,650
and writing them down and evidently they

1297
01:09:21,300 --> 01:09:19,719
were listening into the house because

1298
01:09:24,689 --> 01:09:21,310
all of a sudden we heard the [\h__\h] [\h__\h] [\h__\h]

1299
01:09:26,670 --> 01:09:24,699
[\h__\h] up those helicopters copter coming

1300
01:09:29,039 --> 01:09:26,680
to the house evidently they were trying

1301
01:09:34,410 --> 01:09:29,049
to hone in thinking they were gonna find

1302
01:09:37,229 --> 01:09:34,420
out where it was coming from and you

1303
01:09:39,749 --> 01:09:37,239
hear about these oh sorry you hear about

1304
01:09:42,360 --> 01:09:39,759
these black helicopters you know a lot

1305
01:09:44,550 --> 01:09:42,370
in around the UFO subject and around

1306
01:09:47,430 --> 01:09:44,560
people that have had experiences or that

1307
01:09:50,249 --> 01:09:47,440
are looking into certain certain cases

1308
01:09:52,550 --> 01:09:50,259
or something I mean what do you think

1309
01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:52,560
those are all about are they because

1310
01:09:58,020 --> 01:09:55,210
they obviously see them you think

1311
01:10:00,240 --> 01:09:58,030
they're just intimidating or well we

1312
01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:00,250
were doing a lecture in Phoenix and a

1313
01:10:04,770 --> 01:10:02,770
man came over to me during the

1314
01:10:07,410 --> 01:10:04,780
intermission and he was to me he was

1315
01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:07,420
obviously military had very short cut

1316
01:10:13,140 --> 01:10:09,810
hair it was foul in his mid thirties

1317
01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:13,150
shiny black shoes a shirt buttoned down

1318
01:10:17,220 --> 01:10:13,930
the front

1319
01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:17,230
exactly even with his belt buckle to me

1320
01:10:20,550 --> 01:10:19,570
this was military or or something and he

1321
01:10:27,500 --> 01:10:20,560
said

1322
01:10:32,550 --> 01:10:27,510
helicopters so we don't have to hurt you

1323
01:10:34,140 --> 01:10:32,560
that's what he said and so my reply was

1324
01:10:35,300 --> 01:10:34,150
well I guess you're gonna have to hurt

1325
01:10:40,170 --> 01:10:35,310
me

1326
01:10:42,330 --> 01:10:40,180
it's were intimidation and we've had

1327
01:10:44,970 --> 01:10:42,340
been driving along the road like in

1328
01:10:48,150 --> 01:10:44,980
northern parts of Massachusetts on Route

1329
01:10:51,300 --> 01:10:48,160
two it had two Huey helicopters takeoff

1330
01:10:54,480 --> 01:10:51,310
from a field cross right over our car in

1331
01:10:56,730 --> 01:10:54,490
a rural area at less than 50 feet and if

1332
01:10:59,790 --> 01:10:56,740
you don't think that's intimidating and

1333
01:11:01,980 --> 01:10:59,800
you ought to try hit something but if if

1334
01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:01,990
someone wants to see them they they can

1335
01:11:05,250 --> 01:11:04,330
go on our website and race an affair

1336
01:11:08,580 --> 01:11:05,260
dot-com

1337
01:11:10,940 --> 01:11:08,590
and I have a number of photos there of

1338
01:11:13,830 --> 01:11:10,950
helicopters that I took over different

1339
01:11:17,460 --> 01:11:13,840
residences that we were in over a period

1340
01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:17,470
of many years they harassed us in that

1341
01:11:23,430 --> 01:11:20,410
manner I was in a bank shot and I was

1342
01:11:24,990 --> 01:11:23,440
sitting outside in the car and all of a

1343
01:11:27,930 --> 01:11:25,000
sudden he was looking at I don't know

1344
01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:27,940
what you're kind of buying an ar-15 yeah

1345
01:11:33,090 --> 01:11:30,730
and all of a sudden the black helicopter

1346
01:11:36,780 --> 01:11:33,100
showed up in the it was hovering over

1347
01:11:38,250 --> 01:11:36,790
the back side of the shop I don't know

1348
01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:38,260
what they could hear it or not but it

1349
01:11:45,440 --> 01:11:42,330
was loud and there was a also of

1350
01:11:49,830 --> 01:11:45,450
reporters right from the Meriden record

1351
01:11:52,620 --> 01:11:49,840
that seen it all so I've been in I was

1352
01:11:54,540 --> 01:11:52,630
in a store looking at a wallpaper

1353
01:11:56,970 --> 01:11:54,550
because we were refurbishing the house

1354
01:11:59,760 --> 01:11:56,980
and the thing was is they had all

1355
01:12:03,180 --> 01:11:59,770
windows in the front and I was they've

1356
01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:03,190
got like like a book a large book where

1357
01:12:07,350 --> 01:12:05,290
you can check all the different types of

1358
01:12:10,410 --> 01:12:07,360
wallpaper and so I was turning the pages

1359
01:12:13,770 --> 01:12:10,420
all of us and a helicopter came over in

1360
01:12:17,870 --> 01:12:13,780
front and the guy had a camera and he

1361
01:12:20,490 --> 01:12:17,880
had his foot on the lower bars of the

1362
01:12:23,460 --> 01:12:20,500
helicopter and was taking pictures of me

1363
01:12:25,950 --> 01:12:23,470
the the clerk came running in and says

1364
01:12:32,040 --> 01:12:25,960
Otis they're taking pictures of our

1365
01:12:34,110 --> 01:12:32,050
store so another occasion which this was

1366
01:12:36,410 --> 01:12:34,120
funny we had gone to four

1367
01:12:39,360 --> 01:12:36,420
Christmas campground in Florida and

1368
01:12:42,630 --> 01:12:39,370
there's a lot of pines there and we had

1369
01:12:44,790 --> 01:12:42,640
got a lot that was in a clearing and we

1370
01:12:47,100 --> 01:12:44,800
pulled our trailer in and we were just

1371
01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:47,110
parking it and the small helicopter came

1372
01:12:52,950 --> 01:12:49,810
along stopped right over the clearing

1373
01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:52,960
and the man was taking our picture

1374
01:12:57,060 --> 01:12:54,970
so I quick got my camera out of the

1375
01:13:05,760 --> 01:12:57,070
trailer and while he was taking our

1376
01:13:07,320 --> 01:13:05,770
picture I took his photo well I'm gonna

1377
01:13:09,030 --> 01:13:07,330
be on the lookout now that I've been

1378
01:13:10,710 --> 01:13:09,040
talking to you guys I'm gonna be on the

1379
01:13:12,350 --> 01:13:10,720
lookout for those black helicopters

1380
01:13:20,070 --> 01:13:12,360
hovering around my house

1381
01:13:22,500 --> 01:13:20,080
I'm gonna call you if I see him not only

1382
01:13:24,870 --> 01:13:22,510
did we see them the police officer

1383
01:13:26,370 --> 01:13:24,880
Fawcett witnessed them a reporter from

1384
01:13:29,250 --> 01:13:26,380
The Hartford Courant that came to our

1385
01:13:31,470 --> 01:13:29,260
home to interview us yeah I had seen

1386
01:13:33,300 --> 01:13:31,480
them our neighbors had seen them and

1387
01:13:38,310 --> 01:13:33,310
documented him it's not like it's just

1388
01:13:42,480 --> 01:13:38,320
us but saying that we've seen them they

1389
01:13:48,720 --> 01:13:42,490
were witnessed by many many people it's

1390
01:13:51,630 --> 01:13:48,730
just really really wild because you

1391
01:13:53,610 --> 01:13:51,640
wonder what net you know when we were

1392
01:13:55,770 --> 01:13:53,620
down in Florida also we were at the

1393
01:13:57,810 --> 01:13:55,780
laundromat and with all windows in their

1394
01:14:00,720 --> 01:13:57,820
front and there was one lady there

1395
01:14:03,450 --> 01:14:00,730
sitting at a desk and all of a sudden a

1396
01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:03,460
man came in with his car he jumped out

1397
01:14:08,910 --> 01:14:06,010
came and we were in the front I was

1398
01:14:11,550 --> 01:14:08,920
doing the wash and one of the machines

1399
01:14:15,020 --> 01:14:11,560
in front of the window there he started

1400
01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:15,030
taking pictures and I saw we were in

1401
01:14:19,530 --> 01:14:17,770
washing our clothes and were wondering

1402
01:14:21,570 --> 01:14:19,540
what in the world was going on and I

1403
01:14:25,200 --> 01:14:21,580
asked a woman do you have this place up

1404
01:14:30,510 --> 01:14:25,210
for sale or something well Bob luckily

1405
01:14:33,060 --> 01:14:30,520
he got the number of the car when the

1406
01:14:35,910 --> 01:14:33,070
man took off and he gave it to Larry

1407
01:14:42,780 --> 01:14:35,920
Fawcett again and it was unissued so you

1408
01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:42,790
know that it's the government why I just

1409
01:14:46,790 --> 01:14:44,410
don't understand you know the

1410
01:14:50,060 --> 01:14:46,800
intimidation I guess

1411
01:14:54,560 --> 01:14:50,070
what information are they afraid that

1412
01:14:56,830 --> 01:14:54,570
you're going to give out that that you

1413
01:14:59,030 --> 01:14:56,840
haven't already given

1414
01:15:00,919 --> 01:14:59,040
they spent a ton of money for nothing

1415
01:15:02,270 --> 01:15:00,929
because if they had come and asked us in

1416
01:15:05,410 --> 01:15:02,280
a nice way we would have told them

1417
01:15:07,729 --> 01:15:05,420
pretty much what they wanted to know but

1418
01:15:10,189 --> 01:15:07,739
one other thing that happened to us was

1419
01:15:12,470 --> 01:15:10,199
really funny we were up in New Hampshire

1420
01:15:15,439 --> 01:15:12,480
and it was a little cool and we were

1421
01:15:17,419 --> 01:15:15,449
tempting so we put our tent down and we

1422
01:15:19,069 --> 01:15:17,429
had a large German Shepherd I put a

1423
01:15:21,470 --> 01:15:19,079
stake in the ground and put him right

1424
01:15:23,479 --> 01:15:21,480
outside the tent and the guy that was

1425
01:15:27,109 --> 01:15:23,489
following us which was more than likely

1426
01:15:30,350 --> 01:15:27,119
FBI came and parked directly across from

1427
01:15:32,479 --> 01:15:30,360
us with his SUV and he gets out his tent

1428
01:15:34,580 --> 01:15:32,489
and the tent poles and all and he

1429
01:15:37,129 --> 01:15:34,590
couldn't put the thing together he was

1430
01:15:38,870 --> 01:15:37,139
cursing a blue streak and he finally

1431
01:15:44,540 --> 01:15:38,880
went in and slept in his car during the

1432
01:15:46,220 --> 01:15:44,550
night and the FBI I'm one occasion Betty

1433
01:15:47,990 --> 01:15:46,230
and I left for Florida in the middle of

1434
01:15:50,479 --> 01:15:48,000
night without telling anyone and that

1435
01:15:53,330 --> 01:15:50,489
was on like a Saturday evening and

1436
01:15:56,629 --> 01:15:53,340
Tuesday two FBI agents with photo ID

1437
01:15:59,450 --> 01:15:56,639
showed up at my job and they questioned

1438
01:16:01,250 --> 01:15:59,460
my co-workers and my supervisor so they

1439
01:16:05,689 --> 01:16:01,260
lost track of us because we left earnest

1440
01:16:08,240 --> 01:16:05,699
what kind of oh they were asking about

1441
01:16:10,160 --> 01:16:08,250
where you were yeah yeah they lost track

1442
01:16:11,660 --> 01:16:10,170
of us because we left about 2:30 in the

1443
01:16:17,149 --> 01:16:11,670
morning we got up hooked up our little

1444
01:16:20,540 --> 01:16:17,159
treasure and went oh my goodness they

1445
01:16:22,970 --> 01:16:20,550
were sleeping on the job I guess we're

1446
01:16:24,859 --> 01:16:22,980
all over the place we used to be anyway

1447
01:16:33,830 --> 01:16:24,869
now that we've gotten older a little

1448
01:16:35,959 --> 01:16:33,840
more settled oh man when they win it in

1449
01:16:38,959 --> 01:16:35,969
question you're your co-workers an

1450
01:16:40,970 --> 01:16:38,969
employer who did they say they were did

1451
01:16:47,299 --> 01:16:40,980
they say they were the FBI oh yeah they

1452
01:16:49,430 --> 01:16:47,309
had photo ID but Betty and I did when we

1453
01:16:51,680 --> 01:16:49,440
got back from Florida we did go the FBI

1454
01:16:53,299 --> 01:16:51,690
office and they said they could neither

1455
01:16:55,100 --> 01:16:53,309
confirm nor deny

1456
01:16:57,470 --> 01:16:55,110
and I asked him why we were there I said

1457
01:17:00,260 --> 01:16:57,480
why you tapping our telephone and he

1458
01:17:00,680 --> 01:17:00,270
said well in your case it's not us as

1459
01:17:03,260 --> 01:17:00,690
there

1460
01:17:06,230 --> 01:17:03,270
intelligence the telephone was really

1461
01:17:09,470 --> 01:17:06,240
magic my mother was sick and and what

1462
01:17:12,530 --> 01:17:09,480
happened was I went to call to see that

1463
01:17:14,540 --> 01:17:12,540
she was alright and they had the line to

1464
01:17:16,940 --> 01:17:14,550
open Isis please get off the phone

1465
01:17:19,670 --> 01:17:16,950
because my mother's ill I've got to call

1466
01:17:22,010 --> 01:17:19,680
her and then they hung right up and and

1467
01:17:25,070 --> 01:17:22,020
I was able to get her and another time

1468
01:17:27,980 --> 01:17:25,080
was I had lifted up the phone and I

1469
01:17:31,100 --> 01:17:27,990
heard a woman say the directors office

1470
01:17:31,790 --> 01:17:31,110
and I said director of what and she hung

1471
01:17:38,480 --> 01:17:31,800
up

1472
01:17:41,960 --> 01:17:38,490
directory at one time and the man who

1473
01:17:45,710 --> 01:17:41,970
sells the city directory was always on

1474
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:45,720
his job away from the shop and he would

1475
01:17:51,320 --> 01:17:48,570
call in off and on to see what had to be

1476
01:17:54,050 --> 01:17:51,330
done and everything well he called in

1477
01:17:56,870 --> 01:17:54,060
and he cut the Pentagon and he signed a

1478
01:18:00,290 --> 01:17:56,880
paper for me and told exactly he called

1479
01:18:08,270 --> 01:18:00,300
that number daily and yet he got the

1480
01:18:10,850 --> 01:18:08,280
Pentagon well that is just too wild you

1481
01:18:14,450 --> 01:18:10,860
know what the music starting to play and

1482
01:18:17,450 --> 01:18:14,460
we're all out of time I want to thank

1483
01:18:20,320 --> 01:18:17,460
you both Betty andreasson Lucca and Bob

1484
01:18:24,680 --> 01:18:20,330
Lucca for being my special guest tonight

1485
01:18:26,720 --> 01:18:24,690
you've done an amazing story I recommend

1486
01:18:30,050 --> 01:18:26,730
everybody to read the andreas an affair

1487
01:18:31,130 --> 01:18:30,060
and I cannot wait to see the new book

1488
01:18:33,680 --> 01:18:31,140
because it's going to have some

1489
01:18:37,040 --> 01:18:33,690
information again like Betty you said

1490
01:18:40,540 --> 01:18:37,050
it's important for all of us so I can't